Tuesday, August 3, 2004
Tim O'Reilly at OSCON

The presentation is here. It discusses what's on Tim O'Reillly's radar. From a report by Daniel Steinberg:


The platform is the Internet and not the PC. These applications are built on top of open source but are not themselves open source. Tim says that's OK because they have built tremendous value. More importantly, if we want to move open source forward, we have to understand that the whole model of what constitutes open source doesn't work. For example, you could give away the Google code and still not be able to implement Google. If we're thinking of openness we have to ask what openness means in that context: a world where an app runs on 100K servers and Richard Stallman cannot run it on his personal machine.

As you create your web-based applications, ask how you might build a participatory level around the data in the same way that eBay and Amazon.com have done. Tim left this topic asking who is going to control the key namespaces and who will integrate the entire open source stack. He suggests we think beyond Linux and ask who is going to be the Dell of open source and make sure that evrything works well together.


From one of the presentation slides:

- The Internet, not the PC, is the platform
- Apps are built on top of open source, but not
themselves open source
- Doc Searls’ “DIY-IT” a key to success
- Services, not packaged applications
- Source code + compilation ≠ application
- Exploring how to become platform players via web services APIs
- Data aggregators, not just software
- User contributions key to market dominance

There's also a discussion about social software.

Software | PermaLink | Comments (2)

Hi Rajesh,
Back here after a long time. Going through the posts makes me wonder why I had stopped visiting the site.

BTW, Dan Gillmor's book We The Media is out and available as a PDF here:

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/

Cheers,
Dhar

Posted by Sumit Dhar

Excellent thoughts. The presentation only made me feel unfortunate to actually miss the live show :). I fully agree with all the views. And the shift is going to happen.

For the very first time, I heard about "profitable" open-source model which really makes sense to me. "Apps are built on top of open source, but not themselves open source" - I think is the key takeaway from the entire discussion, which really should arouse some thinking, consideration and planning amongst the software's biggies!

Posted by Kshitij Chandan
Apple as the Microsoft of Music?

Fast Company quotes Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich who said that the recent alliance between Apple and Motorola could turn Apple into the "Microsoft of music" and make the iPod the "defacto standard in digital music."


Milunovich says the 0.5GB of memory for songs of Motorola music phones is a different market from the 4GB iPod mini or 20GB and 40GB fourth-generation iPods. "Getting users to try iTunes on their cell phones introduces them to portable music the Apple way," he says.

As a result of the alliance, from early next year Motorola phone users will be able to transfer music from iTunes to a new mobile version of the software on the phone. Music, including paid-for downloads from the iTunes music store, will be transferred via USB or Bluetooth, and the mobile player will be the standard music application on all Motorola's phones.

General | PermaLink | Comments (1)

Music transfered via USB/Bluetooth... why not via WAP or XHTML browsers? If you wanna do it the mobile way, go for the mobile way.

With the focus shifting on Phones for integrating almost everything into it, I think this is one market that the Tech. majors are exploiting but the media isn't pretty charged about (or optimistic enough) to focus on.

I think in the cell phone market, its all about timing. Nokia lost out to motorola and samsung because of the timing of their launches. We saw 65k screens on those in the days when Nokia was still (probably still is) promoting 4k screens.

Java's focus on device profiles was as old as its launch of J2ME ofcourse. It was a part of its stratergy, I think, to support a wide range of computing devices. Today Java is the de-facto standard for mobile applications. Microsoft and others will have to focus on this part or they may wave "buh-bye" to development on this platform.

Multimedia is perhaps the most exciting field gaining ground on the mobile platform. And like Java, its going to be the initiators which are going to be in business for a long time.

I recently came across these "projection keyboards" which seem to answer the accessibility problems on cell without compromising on size. I think this would pick up soon, if applications demanding good long user input come into the foray.

Posted by Kshitij Chandan
The Network Computer

Dare Obasanjo speculates in the context of Google: "A friend of mine, Justin, had an interesting idea at dinner yesterday. What if Google ends up building the network computer? They can give users the storage space and reliability to run place all their data online. They can mimic the major desktop applications users interact with daily by using Web technologies. This sounds far fetched but then again, I'd have never imagined I'd see a free email service that gave 1GB of free email."

This is what we want to do in Emergic - for people in emerging markets who cannot afford access to expensive thick desktops.

There is a follow-on post by Dare Obasanjo which has a longer discussion on what Google is planning to build.

Bloglines

Jon Udell switches to Bloglines for his aggregator and writes: "Like Gmail, Bloglines is the kind of Web application that surprises you with what it can do, and makes you crave more. Some argue that to satisfy that craving, you'll need to abandon the browser and switch to RIA (rich Internet application) technology -- Flash, Java, Avalon (someday), whatever. Others are concluding that perhaps the 80/20 solution that the browser is today can become a 90/10 or 95/5 solution tomorrow with some incremental changes...It seems pretty clear to me. Web applications such as Gmail and Bloglines are already hard to beat. With a touch of alchemy they just might become unstoppable."

BlogStreet | PermaLink | Comments (4)

I think flash and java will actually reduce usability. On a 2-D device like screen (on computer, PDA, Mobilephone) text interface like Bloglines works best. When we widespread 3-D screens on these devices, then rich media interfaces would make sense.

Posted by preetamrai

I think the technology itself doesn't reduce usability. Its the usefulness of the application that drives the need. Just today one of my friends showed me a nice cool flash animation on his nokia phone and performance was quite good.

Network applications like gmail, bloglines have a definite need (People want to access things anywhere anytime) and that need I think would always be there. Rich client applications will increase the need of internet applications as they will add now one more feature - the ability to view content in offline mode.

Posted by Sunil Goyal

Sunil,

What do applications like Bloglines/Gmail have that is missing in hotmail/yahoo with respect to the ability to access information anywhere? I believe, hotmail was started in 1996(?) and it still offers that basic function of email storage and access. I honestly dont understand the hoopla surrounding gmail (except for the fact that you get 1 gigs of storage) and bloglines. Gmail just provides an alternative UI based largely on Javascript. Hey, but that too has to be downloaded even before you get to see the first page of gmail.

Posted by Anand Jain

Anand,

Gmail, bloglines are in some respect similar to hotmail, yahoo and I agree that to a user they provide similar functionality. I was just trying to make my argument with internet based applications vs desktop and at the same time argue that we need to go to rich internet applications. There are a lot of desktop based rss readers, but once a person installs it, and I want to acess my rss feeds at another place, where I don't have access to my PC, I get in a fix.

But internet applications at the same time can't provide the richness like of desktop applications.
Applications like Gmail are interesting only in the sense, where we start getting (its just a beginning) the desktop interaction on internet applications. There are companies who by using lot of javascript, provide the standard UI widgets on internet applications and provide a similar desktop look and feel. There was recently a group formed (outside W3C) which is proposing to extend HTML and provide desktop like interactionn (perhaps by using combination of xml and javascript).

Posted by Sunil Goyal
MTV India

[via John Robb] Fortune has a fascinating look at MTV's experience in India.


Seen from afar—say, from the executive suites atop Viacom's building in Times Square or NBC's Rockefeller Center headquarters or Disney's base camp in Burbank—India looks like a great place to be in the television business. More than one billion people live in India, and while most remain poor, the middle class is expanding rapidly. The economy grew by 8% last year; advertising grew faster. Consumers are getting their first credit cards and buying mobile phones, motor scooters, CD players, and of course TV sets. What's more, unlike China, where the central government tightly controls television and print, India enjoys a robust democracy, a boisterous press, and a vibrant film and music industry. So it's no surprise that every one of the global entertainment giants, whose businesses are maturing in the U.S. and in Western Europe, have journeyed to India—and to the rest of Asia—in search of growth.

What they have found upon arrival is a media landscape unlike any other—as noisy, chaotic, overcrowded, and impossible to navigate, at least for a stranger, as the streets of Mumbai, the nation's entertainment capital.


India has about 100 channels vying for $600 million in ad revenue. MTV gets about $25 million. The key point in the article is the need to localise and be patient.

Emerging Markets | PermaLink | Comments (2)

Where some praise the localisation of MTV, mind you there are quite a few critics as well. There were times when youngsters used to catch the latest in international music on those channels and now suddenly they are treated with the same hindi content as many of the others do.

For Hindi/Indi-pop music, there is a market teeming with music channels viz. MTV, Channel V, ETC, Zee Music, CMM and the like. There is absolutely no channel exclusively catering to International music.

The demand/sales of indian music may be much much higher than its international counterpart, but there is still a good niche market to be exploited and certainly the 1 hour slots of the same on those channels isnt going to satisfy it.

On the contrary, if you look at movie channels, there are 2 which are doing QUITE WELL, in terms of their mass appeal and advertising revenues - Star Movies and HBO, serving the needs of the urban crowd.

Channels should ideally split up into 2 and cater one for regional content and the other for their international one, for which they are known for.

Posted by Kshitij Chandan

This is similar to what happened in Cartoon Space. The Cartoon channel was considered also a good place to learn english too.

Now they have turned Hindi. Same reason as MTV. Localize.

Sometimes I think its better to be the original than localize.

Suhit

Posted by Suhit Anantula
TECH TALK: A Tale of Two Summers: 2004

Just as I had spent the two-and-a-half years prior to the summer of 1994 working on a variety of things in my first years as an entrepreneur, I have spent the past three years doing a similar set of varied activities – in search of the vision for tomorrow’s world. I am one of those people who need to imagine a new world reasonably well to get started. Of course, part of the way of learning is to keep doing some things. Which is what we have been doing for the past few years. Thin clients, server-centric computing, weblogs, digital dashboard, messaging, security, collaboration software…there has been a lot of seemingly unrelated diverse activities. And out of these experiences, I knew, will emerge a vision for the future.

In some ways, the ideas have all been there – how do make computing more affordable for the world’s next markets and users. This was a slight variation on my original idea in 1991 which was to make a low-cost eBusiness suite available for small- and medium-sized enterprises in emerging markets – only to discover that the primary problem that needed to be solved was that of making computers affordable enough so that every one in the business could afford to have one on their desk. It is hard for even an application as basic as email to make useful internally if only one in five of the staff have computers.

The past few months have helped in widening the scope of the problem and given enough pointers to the solution that needs to be put in place. Affordability is just one of the dimensions of the challenge. There are three other issues that need to be tackled – desirability, accessibility and manageability. Taken together, these are the ADAM of computing (as I discussed in a recent article in Business Standard).

I set myself a goal: how do we make computing (or better still, “commPuting”) available as a utility for Rs 700 ($15) per month per user. This would make it close enough to the pricing of a mobile service. It would also mean taking a wholistic view and focusing on the total cost of ownership – computing did not just need a rented computer (or a computer paid for on installments) or just connectivity. The full solution comprises of the access device (the computer), the software and the content that users need, broadband connectivity (512 Kbps or higher) and support.

This is a non-trivial challenge considering today’s reality. PCs today cost Rs 15-25,000. Software is largely pirated which has limited in the applications that are available in the Indian context, always-on narrowband connectivity (64-128 Kbps) costs Rs 500-1,000 (and has data transfer limits), support is sketchy, and locally relevant content is largely missing.

This has been the vision of what I have called Emergic over the past couple years. Initially, the focus was narrower – just hardware and software. My solution has been thin clients, server-centric computing, open-source software and remote server management. But as I contemplated these issues this summer, I realised that we would have to create nothing short of a completely new ecosystem for computing. Solving one or two of the challenges would not be enough – all of them needed to be addressed simultaneously.

Tomorrow: Bridging Two Worlds

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Tech Talk | PermaLink | Comments (1)

i don't know why you are limiting yourself just to the computer and web industry.

why not bio-diesel, and other energy based technologies. world is knowledge hungry yes, but is not the world more power hungry?

surely you are working on your core competency, but if opportunities in other areas are relatively less competitive, then we could diversify. should we not?

kindly don't mistake me, i am just getting to know about the business world, so, don't mistake me, these are a child's questions, sincere and difficult for the child.

Posted by krishna
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