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Posted by Dr. Ed Pfizer

There is a great toolkit already in the free world to do what infopah does. Its Mozilla's XUL. It can be visually built and provides rich UI, and has native networking capability. Its also cross platform.

As usual though, I think Microsoft has missed something, and that is that such forms may come over email, http, or IM, and asynchronously (think of a purchasing process). The user may not be present. The user has his own data stores. It would be simpler to implement the business rules, validation, etc on a desktop or thick server thingy such as Radio, and provide UI via XUL so that the desktop server or thick server could autofill out some parts of the form before submit, and queue up forms when the user does not have presence at the desktop.

Posted by Rahul Dave

XUL is cool (see here. )

InfoPath is nothing but a Microsoftized version of XForms. Would have been better if they provided the infopath engine as a default part of all office applications and the browser, since nobody is really taking XForms anywhere...

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Posted by Harry Studer

Totally agree with you. Even though I have never lived outside India, but on my short trips abroad I have realized that the social life we get here in our own country is so much better than what we can get in any non-native nation.

Also, I can't understand how desis who have been educated and gone through the system here in India can become so cynical and hold a lowly opinion of the very same system. IMHO, to blame India is just a convenient rant by desis to justify their desire to stay abroad only.

Posted by AJ

Talking of the education system in India, I cannot resist mentioning an article I wrote a few years ago which I titled "Who Paid for my Education?". It is at http://are.berkeley.edu/~atanu/Writing/who_paid.html

The severe inequity of education the middle-class and the rich on the backs of the absolutely poor is a crying shame.

Posted by Atanu Dey

That line should have read:

The severe inequity of educating the middle-class and the rich on the backs of the absolutely poor is a crying shame.

Thanks,
Atanu
are.berkeley.edu/~atanu

Posted by Atanu Dey

I fail to understand the motivation / thinking behind this set of articles. Are we saying India needs NRIs to come back in order to get to the next level? I would disagree.

First off, when an elaborate case needs to be made to bring back NRIs, that itself weakens the argument.
Secondly, most people would - and should - act in self interest. If they see India as offering better opportunities they would make a move (as is already happening in some cases - and the forces behind this have been primarily intrinsic).
Finally, an NRI who is doing quite well abroad can be a much better asset for India continuing where he/she is, rather than simply packing bags and returning home.

Having said all this, I do appreciate Atanu's previous comment when he says "Rajesh's point, I think, is that we have to start thinking of India as a winner. Only then can we make India a winner. That is the complete story. The rest is not as important."
I would be curious to know if Rajesh agrees that that is all the point he is trying to make. I, however, totally agree with Atanu.

Anurag

Posted by Anurag

Well well Anurag you need to first check/verify (read any newspaper any day)..
You say "In India, skin colour is not used to discriminate. We are all one – Indians."
WE ONLY DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN OURSELVES(US INDIANS) BASED ON RELIGION; CASTE; BANK BALANCE;LANGUAGE; STATE OF BIRTH; CASTE OF HUSBAND; INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR CHILD; MOREOVER EVEN KILL INNOCENT CHILDERN AND WOMEN (based on this) AND THEN BLAME IT ON THE POLITICIANS /GOONS.

And then you go on to say "However, if you are willing to ----------India will welcome you with open arms."
My comment to your NRI's : DONOT FORGET THE REALITY: BE PREPARED TO SPEND YOUR MONEY ON CORRUPT OFFICIALS.
HEAVEN FORBID IF YOU EVER HAPPEN TO HAVE A JUDICIAL ISSUE; BE PREPARED TO GET STUCK IN COURT CASES WHICH WILL NEVER (IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE TIME:MAYBE EVEN YOUR CHILD's LIFE TIME) GET HEARD FORGET ABOUT GET SOLVED : INDIA (ITS LAW AND JUSTICE SYSTEM) HAS DEFINATELY REMAINED THE SAME SINCE I LEFT.

Posted by anjali

I have met and talked to many NRIs – in India and during my travels abroad. One of the most common reasons given for not returning to India is “the family” – how will the kids adjust, schools in India are tough to get into and overload the children with so much homework, there is so much pollution, and so on. This is a fact. No question about it. I have seen a Sydney bus driver stopping his bus and ordering someone to put an empty pack of wafers into the dustbin. No excuses- just shut up and dispose of it properly. To me, this obviously illustrates the difference between a child growing up in Bombay and a child brought up in Sydney. How many times have you seen people throwing stuff out of cars and buses ? How many times have people spat on you without caring about your status, qualifications or your identity ?

NRIs conveniently forget is that they are products of India’s education system – and that too the heavily subsidized form of it. My parents had to pay my way through college and when I realized the difference, I made it clear that I was not going to have them burn up their savings because some my friends were going for an MS degree. I do know this - the Indian education system focuses solely on rote-learning and of late, there’s no need even for that when you can simply buy the question papers and solve them at your leisure. It’s also true that Indian school kids have plenty of homework thrust upon them everyday. Their school bags weigh more than they do. All this makes most Indians what we are – a bunch of fools who believe that gathering degree certificates is the way to go, that a lack of creative thinking and only rote-learning are enough to make a complete man. The omission of sports and creative syllabi in schools have prevented Indians from excelling in most walks of life. What matters is the academics and nothing else. I have gone through it, and there is no reason why the next generation should suffer in the same way.

So, the family argument is a very strong one. It is one of the biggest reasons to avoid returning to India. After all, when life is going along reasonably comfortably, why disrupt it? And so life goes on, and another year passes. The India visits serve little purpose because you come as tourists. The India you know (and sometimes reminisce about) is the India you left behind when you went abroad. And that India, quite clearly, has been ruined beyond recognition.

I have relatively little experience of living abroad (14 days in Sydney and Canberra is about it), and returned to India from that trip last month. For me, India is home. Whenever I travel abroad, there is always a clear divide - and an awareness of how sorely we Indians are lacking in even basic things like civic sense and manners. One can always look at the negatives and learn from them. But most Indians do not use them as improvement opportunities. And these very people are the ones that keep India in the same mess that it was, or maybe think of taking it further into the quagmire of ruin.

Family – along with personal opportunities – is in fact one of the primary reasons for NRIs not coming back to India. Sure, India has a support system with the extended family, which is always there – no questions asked, no obligations expected. For the kids, there is love from doting grandparents, and uncles and aunts, and many other siblings. But how many of you NRIs have bothered to invite this support system, consisting of your own family members, to join you and share in your success abroad ? It’s too troublesome, isn’t it ? Paying a babysitter is more acceptable than calling your ageing parents to your house. You let them rot in India with poor medical facilities and in the face of increasing crimes against the elderly. It’s just too damn expensive – you say. These are the same people who blew up their savings to see you prosper and how do you repay their debt ? You show up once in 3 years and bring back a few ear buds and band-aid strips for them.

In India, skin colour is not used to discriminate. Who needs something so petty as skin colour when there are castes and sub-castes which help us build up an extremely effective discrimination hierarchy ? I am the product of a totally diverse set – 50% Kokanastha Brahmin (yes, the infamous Kobras), 25% Kutchi Bhatia and 25% Saurashtra Bania. This means that I’m at the receiving end of stupid questions like “So what language do you speak at home?” or “What are you, really ?”. If I say “I am an Indian” it only complicates matters further. Also, I do not get admitted into the privileged circles of either caste because of my identity (or supposed lack of it). While abroad, I was “the Indian guy in room 209” and that was it. No one cared about the intricacies of my family tree and whether or not I came with a pedigree certificate.

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